This was a conversation, held by atheists, including yours truly, about a video of police shooting a rottweiler in the street. Here’s the story (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?id=9205019) and here’s the video in question (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3FHdSxYAQE) This is the Young Turks because the other video linked to a petition. As I feel that their animosity is misdirected, you can go find that yourself.
You shouldn’t bring a guard dog with you to screw with the police. He realized that too late when he put the dog in the car. I have a American Staffordshire Terrier, and I don’t take it with me to ‘check things out’ unless there is a chance I will need the dog to eat whatever it is.
Rotties are first and foremost guard dogs. They were bred to protect wagon trains because they give less than two sh**s for bears and groups of men with guns. The guy in cuffs is ultimately responsible for the dog’s death, more so than the officers that shot it, because he took his guard dog into a situation that could _only_ escalate in the death of the dog or an officer or two.
Just like how you shouldn’t have a Hummer if you cannot drive a big vehicle, you shouldn’t have a big dog if you’re going to be stupid.
Atheist 1: “This is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read. The cop is responsible for shooting the dog you retard. Could have been resolved in so many different ways..”
Let me sum this up for the Atheists in the crowd who only got as far as Dawkins and stopped. 12,000 years of co-evolution have brought dogs to where they are today: big dogs watch our sh** and fight the bears, and little dogs are put in sleeves or, more recently, large purses.
Professional Law Enforcement, as we know it, is only a few centuries old. THERE ARE GODDAMN MONKEYS IN THE STREETS AND THEY HAVE GUNS. They also have the backing of those who can decide to take and kill your dog if your dog bites one of these armed monkeys.
Don’t be a deer in the headlights. What do you do?
Now, stop getting your information from Disney movies and act like you’re with us on our current evolutionary trajectory. Things don’t go well for those who can’t keep up. (* For examples, please review the latest endangered species list)
Atheist 2: “* Grimmace *, there are so many dogs that were “bred” to do certain things, but unless that dog is trained to do so then it is not automatically a guard dog. A pit bull isn’t automatically a killer/attack dog (like everyone likes to believe). You are not automatically an idiot…”
No, and I agree with you, somewhat. A dog is ultimately the reflection of what the owner has trained it for, but nature will continue to play a part in a dog. For 150 years, Pitbulls were raised to be Nanny dogs. They were good because they would kill anything that threatened your offspring, while not eating your offspring themselves. That’s what they have as a nature. That is why people buy them and post pictures of them snuggling babies.
This nature is important enough to me that I nurture it. Nurture is careful guidance. It is also why I lock the dog in her oversized kennel when the cops or other strangers are around. This keeps her desensitized to the strangers, in case she later needs to protect the children from them. I know her nature, and nurture her accordingly.
DON’T TAKE A GUARD DOG IF THERE IS A CHANCE THAT YOUR ACTIONS MAY RESULT IN YOU BEING DETAINED AGAINST YOUR WILL…. and you can quote me on that.
Atheist 3: “Don’t take a guard dog if there is CHANCE that our actions may result in something stupid??? I did not know that walking a dog will be that complicated at all. I mean, right now, I don’t know if my actions in the next couple of minutes/hours will result in me being detained. And since the dog is a guard dog, I think what you are talking about evolution, nature-nurture, is contradicting. A guard dog, by nature or nurture, should guard its owner/anything it was trained to. The dog fulfilled its duties just like how it is trained to. Just like a cop killing a threat, like how a cop is trained to. Cop kills dog. dog kills cop. It’s the fucking same thing, we are all inhabitants of this planet, we just have to rethink and reset our ways of judging/setting things. This is just 1 dog and 1 cop. We can save a lot more by preventing this situation. Dog owners can me more responsible. Cops can be more responsible.” (end original quote)
“I did not know that walking a dog will be that complicated at all.“
Most people don’t. That’s why there are so many issues. That is also why everyone has the idea of ‘someone who should not own a dog.’
“I think what you are talking about evolution, nature-nurture, is contradicting. A guard dog, by nature or nurture, should guard its owner/anything it was trained to. The dog fulfilled its duties just like how it is trained to.”
Let me know when your Chihuahua Guard Dog business becomes successful. The fact that one of the main pinnacles of Human Civilization, Animal Domestication, is a science that most people do not understand until animals are killed and people are dead and mauled should fill you with dread.
Is Wiki down for everyone except me? “The breed’s history likely dates to the Roman Empire. It is likely that the Rottweiler is a descendant of ancient Roman drover dogs, a mastiff-type dog that was a dependable, rugged dog with great intelligence and guarding instincts.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rottweiler) 2000 years of breeding a dog for its ‘guarding instincts?’ That would probably leave a mark.
“It’s the fucking same thing, we are all inhabitants of this planet, we just have to rethink and reset our ways of judging/setting things. This is just 1 dog and 1 cop. We can save a lot more by preventing this situation.”
Yet, we ended with the same basic, Reasonable idea. Peace.